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If you have not heard, GM got the job of building the new batmobile. This might seem trivial to some but I see it as a amazing opportunity to build something really incredible. After all the batmobile is supposed to be very epitome of technical advancement and slick coolness (term of art). So GM can really strut their stuff on this gig and make something truly memerable, particuarly when some earlier efforts were such utter failures.
Personally I’d like to see a hybrid based on Voltech but with a micro turbine up-front as the range extender and a jet-afterburner set-up out the back. They should bring in Ron Patrick as a technical adviser. http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/ They should use the windshield from the Aerovette concept car from the 70’s. It has a cool “V” shape, perfect for a Batmobile. The interior should be modeled after the steampunk/gothic interior of the Pagani Huayra:
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If you have not heard, GM got the job of building the new batmobile. This might seem trivial to some but I see it as a amazing opportunity to build something really incredible. After all the batmobile is supposed to be very epitome of technical advancement and slick coolness (term of art). So GM can really strut their stuff on this gig and made something truly memerable, particuarly when some earlier efforts were such utter failures.
Personally I’d like to see a hybrid based on Voltech but with a micro turbine up-front as the range extender and a jet-afterburner set-up out the back. They should bring in Ron Patrick as a technical adviser.http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/ They should use the windshield from the Aerovette concept car from the 70’s. It has a cool “V” shape, perfect for a Batmobile. The interior should be modeled after the steampunk/gothic interior of the Pagani Huayra:
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I like the direction they took of the last set of movies with a more military grade vehicle which is much more believable sustaining abuse then some car looking ride of the first set of movies and the batmobile which is what you are describing!
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…whatever GM does, I hope they steer clear of the TRANSFORMER Camaro bumble-bug rubix-cube mechanix.
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Yeah, I hear ya. And I agree as far as the background story goes — an abandon military project just sitting around in the bowels of Wayne Industries… Sure, OK. But the execution?! Sorry, not a fan of the Tumble look. The front end is wide open, no armor. Why? It’s a shell trap. It should be designed to deflect incoming rounds, particularly in front. Not the Tumble. An incoming round would get caught in that “U” shaped area, insuring that it would cause serious damage. It looks like you could probably take it out with an RPG. Dumb. And what’s up with all the busy … umm… stuff … stuck all over it? Why? Again, more shell traps, shell traps everywhere. Why? And those tiny wings…, really? Sorry, just dumb.
You know, there is a whole industry out there that makes plain-Jane cars into tanks, and they still look like plain-Jane cars. So it doesn’t have to look like a tank to be a tank.
Besides, the buzz is that they are going away from the Tumble/military look, going to more of a sleek sports car look. I just hope they get the dimensions right: Length should be about 180 inches; wheelbase about 108 inches; width no more than 80 inches. Also, the cockpit should be wide enough for two full-size adults, with good leg and elbow room. It should have conventional doors and good visibility though a full-size windscreen, side, and rear windows. It should be designed to look, feel, and drive like a real sports car, but with twin 50 cals under the hood and an afterburner out the back!
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“Military grade”? Ramming through concrete walls with fat rubber tires upfront, how believable is that? I would have loved to see the Panoz GTR turn into a batmobile, as if boutique sports car builder Don Panoz was commissioned ‘top secret’ to build the Dark Knight’s workhorse.
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Buy American. Buy Ford. So say we all!
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Personally I’d like to see a hybrid based on Voltech but with a micro turbine up-front as the range extender and a jet-afterburner set-up out the back. They should bring in Ron Patrick as a technical adviser.http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/ They should use the windshield from the Aerovette concept car from the 70’s. It has a cool “V” shape, perfect for a Batmobile. The interior should be modeled after the steampunk/gothic interior of the Pagani Huayra:
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There was a “unique” company from the ’60s called “Turbonique Inc.”. They attached their rear axle-mounted rocket propulsion systems to all manner of outrageous vehicles, including a go-kart and a VW Bug…and 1 of the 200 original Z16 ’65 Malibu SS-396s. They graduated to turbochargers…and then graduated to oblivion…
Notice the total lack of safety…and the total lack of sanity, in some cases. Imagine piloting the go-kart!
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I like the direction they took of the last set of movies with a more military grade vehicle which is much more believable sustaining abuse then some car looking ride of the first set of movies and the batmobile which is what you are describing!
Noooooooooo – this one is the best of the lot
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Noooooooooo – this one is the best of the lot
I still say the best choice for the Batmobile is a beat up old taxi. The bad guys would never know how Batman arrived or departed from the scene.
To my mind the Chris Nolan Batman films haven’t aged well. I loved them on the first viewings, but the more I see them, the less they impress me. Conversely, the one with Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson gets better every time I see it. So I vote they use this batmobile as a starting point.
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I still say the best choice for the Batmobile is a beat up old taxi. The bad guys would never know how Batman arrived or departed from the scene.
To my mind the Chris Nolan Batman films haven’t aged well. I loved them on the first viewings, but the more I see them, the less they impress me. Conversely, the one with Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson gets better every time I see it. So I vote they use this batmobile as a starting point.
Well, what about a ’78 Plymouth Volare?
I also kind of agree with you on the Nolan movies (although I still need to see ‘Dark Knight Rises’). They were certainly needed, after that train-wreck that was ‘Batman & Robin’ (a Bat credit card? Really?). So they certainly washed that taste out of the mouth.
But sometimes I felt they went a bit too far, with the ‘realism’. Just my opinion, but ‘Batman Begins’ was pretty slow at times, ‘The Dark Knight’ was a lot like any other police drama
with Batman and Joker thrown in.
The Burton movies, were great (and not just saying that because of nostalgia), although I do find ‘Batman’ (1989) a bit slow and meandering, these days. It was all about Jack, anyways.
My absolutely favourite, though, goes to ‘Batman Returns’. It was almost as perfect as a Batman movie can get. Engaging characters, a darkly gothic tale of the human need for acceptance, and the resulting sorrow of not achieving. Not just a great Batman movie, but a great movie all around.
As for the new Batmobile GM is building, I think it’s a huge opportunity.
First, the look. The look will probably follow the ‘theme’ of Batman in this movie. If they’re moving away from the Nolan adaptation, then it definitely won’t look like a tank again. Although, I’m sure they’re aware how much the public loves the Nolan movies, and the reaction to the ‘Bat tumbler’.
So I could see them building something in the ‘middle ground’ of military vehicle, and a sleek sports car.
Especially if they’re losing some of the ‘Nolan grit’, and going for a more ‘comic-book look’, then I could see something more swoopy coming to fruition.
Which I’m actually looking forward to. I don’t want anything cartoon-ish, but adding some ‘comic-book’ characteristics to the Nolan realism, would really look great. Some art deco buildings, some dramatic lighting, etc.
As to what the actual car will look like? I’m wondering if GM would actually make a ‘one and half scale’ modified Corvette as the new Batmobile? Bit longer, bit wider. Some ‘Bat-armour or wings’ and stuff. Something where the general audience wouldn’t really make the connection, but us GM fans would know what it is.
Hmmm, what about a Stingray what ‘tranforms’ out it’s body panels into an armoured bat ride?
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I still say the best choice for the Batmobile is a beat up old taxi. The bad guys would never know how Batman arrived or departed from the scene.
To my mind the Chris Nolan Batman films haven’t aged well. I loved them on the first viewings, but the more I see them, the less they impress me. Conversely, the one with Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson gets better every time I see it. So I vote they use this batmobile as a starting point.
I am actually the opposite side of the coin here, Nolan’s movies were the only efforts that did justice to the Dark Knight IMO. I tried to watch the 1989 iteration of Batman recently and couldn’t get through it, the whole thing coming off so much ‘cheesier’ than I remembered.
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I am actually the opposite side of the coin here, Nolan’s movies were the only efforts that did justice to the Dark Knight IMO. I tried to watch the 1989 iteration of Batman recently and couldn’t get through it, the whole thing coming off so much ‘cheesier’ than I remembered.
Oh, the 1989 bit was definitely cheesy. But I think the Nolan films just don’t hold up to repeat viewings. I don’t want to start a big debate, but
– Nobody else at Wayne Enterprises remembers making the Tumbler (I think that’s the name for the new Batmobile), just the CEO?
– The villains try to destroy Gotham City with economics because it’s corrupt when Bruce Wayne is a child. When Bruce Wayne is an adult, they try to destroy it again because it’s corrupt… only now it’s only corrupt because of the economic damage they did in the past.
– The Joker’s brilliant convoluted plots are so convoluted as to be unbelievable – what if they had put him in the holding cell next to the guy with the explosives buried in his body? What if the cop set to guard him was too smart to let himself be taken hostage? What if just one person involved in the bank robbery was clever enough to figure out that if he was instructed to kill another criminal to reduce how many ways the loot was split, the other criminals might have had the same instructions? And then for all of his brilliance, with the two boats loaded with explosives and a deadline, he didn’t set a timer on the explosives?
– We never see Bruce Wayne engage in any serious intellectual pursuits, but he can hack every cell phone in the entire city of Gotham?
And Dark Knight Rises is the worst of the three. Without spoiling much:
– Nobody else at Wayne Enterprises that built the flying vehicle remembers working on it, except again the CEO?
– The League of Shadows again wants to destroy Gotham City in order to restore peace and justice to the world. So two out of the three adversaries Batman faces are from misguided attempts to save humanity by destroying a city.
– Batman is inactive for more than five years before the movie starts, and walks with a limp, but when he decides to put the mask back on and try a new type of leg brace he’s in full fighting form in less than a week. Not just “no more limp” but “no more limp and as strong and fast as ever”.
– Batman suffers a serious injury, and is back in the best fighting form of his life in less than two months.
– The entire Gotham City police force is trapped underground for two months, but when they emerge to fight the men look in good health and their uniforms are pristine.
– When the Gotham City police force emerges to fight they either don’t have or won’t use their firearms. Their opponents have automatic weapons but don’t use them against the police.
– Bruce Wayne casually writes what we presume is a pretty sophisticated piece of software, again off screen. I can’t say what it is without revealing a plot point. But again, we don’t see him involved in study or scientific work at any point.
The Tim Burton Batman presumably built his own vehicles and gadgets, and we see him working with computers and describing research. His opponents are flat out villains. I could see using one misguided hero here or there, but not most of them as in the Nolan films. Joker’s and Penguin’s plots are much simpler and easier to follow.
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Oh, the 1989 bit was definitely cheesy. But I think the Nolan films just don’t hold up to repeat viewings. I don’t want to start a big debate, but
– Nobody else at Wayne Enterprises remembers making the Tumbler (I think that’s the name for the new Batmobile), just the CEO?
– The villains try to destroy Gotham City with economics because it’s corrupt when Bruce Wayne is a child. When Bruce Wayne is an adult, they try to destroy it again because it’s corrupt… only now it’s only corrupt because of the economic damage they did in the past.
– The Joker’s brilliant convoluted plots are so convoluted as to be unbelievable – what if they had put him in the holding cell next to the guy with the explosives buried in his body? What if the cop set to guard him was too smart to let himself be taken hostage? What if just one person involved in the bank robbery was clever enough to figure out that if he was instructed to kill another criminal to reduce how many ways the loot was split, the other criminals might have had the same instructions? And then for all of his brilliance, with the two boats loaded with explosives and a deadline, he didn’t set a timer on the explosives?
– We never see Bruce Wayne engage in any serious intellectual pursuits, but he can hack every cell phone in the entire city of Gotham?
And Dark Knight Rises is the worst of the three. Without spoiling much:
– Nobody else at Wayne Enterprises that built the flying vehicle remembers working on it, except again the CEO?
– The League of Shadows again wants to destroy Gotham City in order to restore peace and justice to the world. So two out of the three adversaries Batman faces are from misguided attempts to save humanity by destroying a city.
– Batman is inactive for more than five years before the movie starts, and walks with a limp, but when he decides to put the mask back on and try a new type of leg brace he’s in full fighting form in less than a week. Not just “no more limp” but “no more limp and as strong and fast as ever”.
– Batman suffers a serious injury, and is back in the best fighting form of his life in less than two months.
– The entire Gotham City police force is trapped underground for two months, but when they emerge to fight the men look in good health and their uniforms are pristine.
– When the Gotham City police force emerges to fight they either don’t have or won’t use their firearms. Their opponents have automatic weapons but don’t use them against the police.
– Bruce Wayne casually writes what we presume is a pretty sophisticated piece of software, again off screen. I can’t say what it is without revealing a plot point. But again, we don’t see him involved in study or scientific work at any point.
The Tim Burton Batman presumably built his own vehicles and gadgets, and we see him working with computers and describing research. His opponents are flat out villains. I could see using one misguided hero here or there, but not most of them as in the Nolan films. Joker’s and Penguin’s plots are much simpler and easier to follow.
Wow! I’m just going to concede right away on this one because you are obviously a lot more of a Batman fan than I am, and I’m definitely a fan. Well thought out and executed response sir!
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Tim Burton’s Batman (1989) is the best of the bunch, Jack Nicholson’s performance as the Joker being one of his best. I intensely dislike all of Nolan’s films, including Inception. There is so much fluff and bogus (pseudo philosophying) going on in his Batman series.
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Wow! I’m just going to concede right away on this one because you are obviously a lot more of a Batman fan than I am, and I’m definitely a fan. Well thought out and executed response sir!
Don’t give me too much credit, there’s a lot of plot holes and oddities in the films with Michael Keaton and then with Val Kilmer (and of course the one with George Clooney is a disaster). It really is more personal taste than anything, I just happen to prefer the older films.
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I still say the best choice for the Batmobile is a beat up old taxi. The bad guys would never know how Batman arrived or departed from the scene.
That’s what “The Shadow” did,… well, it was a Cord, but it was a taxi.
Originally Posted by Michael_S
To my mind the Chris Nolan Batman films haven’t aged well. I loved them on the first viewings, but the more I see them, the less they impress me. Conversely, the one with Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson gets better every time I see it. So I vote they use this batmobile as a starting point.
Yeah, that’s the ’89 car, also known as the “Keaton-mobile”. Its the product of designer Anton Furst. I do like the swooping lines, particularly that line that goes from the front fender and sweeps all the way back to those curvy wings. Nice. But its too big and cartoony. The fact is they haven’t made a car worthy of the title “Batmobile”, yet, ever. Every attempt has been a failure. All too silly and cartoony. But the news that GM is building the new one gives me hope. It fits well with GM’s new commitment to innovation and technology. And GM knows cars.
Actually there’s a connection between GM and the Furst car. GM wanted to build the car for the ’89 movie and offered the producers $6M for the privilege. But at the time the movie people were already committed to the Furst design. They asked GM to make it. GM would only commit to considering the Furst design in its car. It ended there. But the story showed the GM’s long standing interest in this project. Let’s just hope GM get’s it right this time.
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What about this Lambo Aventador that DMC Luxury is reportedly preparing into a 1200-2000 hp monster? It is already open, like the batmobile used to be in the 60’s.
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GaryR,
I think the whole concept of a Batmobile is pretty incompatible with the rest of the character. If you’re world-class good at sneaking around, having a vehicle that stands out but can still get stuck in traffic just doesn’t make sense. A Bat-plane, or Bat-copter, or maybe even Bat-submarine makes sense, because it’s something other people can see but not easily trap or track, and it lets Batman enter the appropriate situation quickly. A Batman car doesn’t fit.
I guess in that sense I’m fine with any of them, from Keaton-mobile to the Tumbler, because if you’re going to use something absurd you might as well go hog-wild.
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What about this Lambo Aventador that DMC Luxury is reportedly preparing into a 1200-2000 hp monster? It is already open, like the batmobile used to be in the 60’s.
I don’t know if it’s necessarily a good Batmobile, but it’s a beautiful car.
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GaryR,
I think the whole concept of a Batmobile is pretty incompatible with the rest of the character. If you’re world-class good at sneaking around, having a vehicle that stands out but can still get stuck in traffic just doesn’t make sense. A Bat-plane, or Bat-copter, or maybe even Bat-submarine makes sense, because it’s something other people can see but not easily trap or track, and it lets Batman enter the appropriate situation quickly. A Batman car doesn’t fit.
Batman is more than a world-class sneak, his a world-class vigilante, and it makes some real-world sense for him to have a vehicle tricked-out for that specific purpose, part of which is to intimidate and cause fear, like the cowl and cape. Easily tracked? There’s counter-measures for like. Parking is the big problem but Wayne Industries owns properties though-out the city, in the name of subsidiaries and front agencies. Safe houses… garages. And of course that city is Gotham, it’s not a real city. The character is not of the real world. He inhabits his own world, a sci-fi, Gothic, surreal, fantasy twist on the real world, where, apparently, its not that uncommon to see people dressed in outlandish outfits and driving highly customized rides.
And it’s not like he would use it all the time, depending on the situation he could use his other toys, as you suggest.
But of course this is not about the character its about the car. We’re talking about taking an iconic symbol of that sci-fi, Gothic, surreal, fantasy, twisted world and making it a reality. It’s much harder than putting an actor in a costume. A car can’t act. You can dress it up with some wings and stuff but its really all about the engine and drive system, suspension and handling, acceleration and performance.
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