1 POSTED: 27 March 2014 11:43 am POSTQUOTEEDIT
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About time I say.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/26/294885843/labor-board-rules-northwestern-players-are-employees?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=BreakingNews&utm_campaign=
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2 POSTED: 27 March 2014 12:38 pm POSTQUOTE
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I would recommending adding more to the OP if you’re looking to avoid a warning, like what the system is currently and the potential for the ruling to change that.
As for the topic itself: Good. The amount that those players are bringing in for some of those universities almost requires them to be at least compensated with more than a scholarship and a small stipend.
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3 POSTED: 27 March 2014 12:53 pm POSTQUOTE
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why? they already have it better than virtually everyone else their age. They get to go to some of the best colleges for free, no 100k college loans when they get out. They get special status/hero worship when it comes to the law. At the end of their education, they either get a free degree or a multi million dollar job
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4 POSTED: 27 March 2014 2:02 pm POSTQUOTE
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Ryotknife:
why? they already have it better than virtually everyone else their age. They get to go to some of the best colleges for free, no 100k college loans when they get out. They get special status/hero worship when it comes to the law. At the end of their education, they either get a free degree or a multi million dollar job
I can see why you’d be questioning it, as it can be easy to wonder why someone can get so many rewards for sports.
The simple answer to it is that sports makes a lot of money. It would be unfair to the athletes if they didn’t get a good amount of it, since it takes a lot of discipline to stay in shape and stay good enough at a sport to reach that level.
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5 POSTED: 27 March 2014 2:05 pm POSTQUOTEEDIT
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Ryotknife:
why? they already have it better than virtually everyone else their age. They get to go to some of the best colleges for free, no 100k college loans when they get out. They get special status/hero worship when it comes to the law. At the end of their education, they either get a free degree or a multi million dollar job
Fact is not all of them graduate, and only a select few go on to professional sports and million dollar contracts. It uses to be that only about 50% of all college athletes graduated. Now, because of increased scrutiny, its up to about 70% of all college athletes graduate, but for the big sports, (American) football and basketball, the number are less. Its only about 40% for basketball players, particularly at the big schools. Some of these kids end up with very little, no diploma and no job. They work very hard, and they help bring in millions to their schools and the school’s athletic dept. Some of these kids suffer terrible injuries and are not covered by health insurance.
The whole argument about amateur college athlete is a fraud. For one thing, the colleges routinely violate their own rules about paying these kids. But mostly its simply a way for the NCAA to use these kids to make tons of cash. In return they give very little. A free college education at a big name school you say? Yeah it sounds good but the fact is it costs the schools practically nothing. Its a form of indentured servitude, and its high time its stopped.
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6 POSTED: 27 March 2014 4:26 pm POSTQUOTE
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While I hate the ncaa not sure I agree paying athletes. Free room and board, don’t have to go to class, massive networking potential.
Giving out anything more than a small stipend would be tough to do cause who gets what? QB and RB might be bringing in all the money does a 3rd sting get payed equally to a star despite putting in equal work? What about schools with decent FB programs that only break even financially cause they aren’t in a massive conference like the SEC. does recruiting become pay2win? Would bama USC, auburn LSU etc become even more titanic cause they can pay, and have the good programs.
Having college athletes as employees is just asking for trouble. How about NCAA limits practice and does a salary cap like thing wherein money gained above a certain amount just goes to a general scholarship fund for non athletes.
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7 POSTED: 27 March 2014 4:46 pm POSTQUOTE
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Good. And I hope it spreads. The NCAA and the universities in general can go fuck themselves. While I would be hesitant to start giving college athletes anything more than a moderate salary, I’ll be happy if it gives the NCAA a swift kick to the nuts.
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8 POSTED: 27 March 2014 5:03 pm POSTQUOTEEDIT
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LetalisK:
Good. And I hope it spreads. The NCAA and the universities in general can go fuck themselves. While I would be hesitant to start giving college athletes anything more than a moderate salary, I’ll be happy if it gives the NCAA a swift kick to the nuts.
I’m with ya bro., but the hit they need is to their pocketbook. That’s what hurts the most, and that’s what they’re going to get. And its about time.
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9 POSTED: 27 March 2014 5:10 pm POSTQUOTEEDIT
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sneakypenguin:
While I hate the ncaa not sure I agree paying athletes. Free room and board, don’t have to go to class, massive networking potential.
Giving out anything more than a small stipend would be tough to do cause who gets what? QB and RB might be bringing in all the money does a 3rd sting get payed equally to a star despite putting in equal work? What about schools with decent FB programs that only break even financially cause they aren’t in a massive conference like the SEC. does recruiting become pay2win? Would bama USC, auburn LSU etc become even more titanic cause they can pay, and have the good programs.
Having college athletes as employees is just asking for trouble. How about NCAA limits practice and does a salary cap like thing wherein money gained above a certain amount just goes to a general scholarship fund for non athletes.
Hey, well, all that’s got to be worked out. This will get very interesting. Actually I don’t think a union is the best way to address the problem but the ruling really exposes the hypocrisy of the whole amateur status thing.
This could open things up for my Municipal Sports League idea. Did ya hear about that one?
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10 POSTED: 27 March 2014 7:32 pm POSTQUOTE
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I wonder if the publicity SouthPark gave the issue had anything to do with this.
I agree with other people here though, anything beyond basically minimum wage sounds a bit ridiculous considering all the benefits they already have.
I predict payrolls to not change and all slack be picked up by increasing tuition/material fees.
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11 POSTED: 27 March 2014 8:53 pm POSTQUOTEEDIT
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Flutterguy:
I wonder if the publicity SouthPark gave the issue had anything to do with this.
The issue has been around. I’ve been following it for some time. Its just one of those gross injustices out there that everyone kinda ignores. Worse yet, a lot of people bought the lie that there is some equitable exchange going on. It’s not. And I’m actually extremely excited that we are witnessing the beginning of the end of the amateur athlete fraud.
Flutterguy:
I agree with other people here though, anything beyond basically minimum wage sounds a bit ridiculous considering all the benefits they already have.
Dude, some of these athlete can generate millions. They are certainly worth a large salary.
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I predict payrolls to not change and all slack be picked up by increasing tuition/material fees.
I predict that once these young athletes get the right to cash-in on their talent right out of high school they’ll say F-U to the colleges and play professionally. And that’s exactly what the big colleges are so afraid of. They’ve gotten addicted to the cash and prestige their sports dept. brings in, and they don’t want to give it up. But its house of cards built on a lie. And its coming down right in front of us. Quick, someone make popcorn!
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12 POSTED: 27 March 2014 11:27 pm POSTQUOTE
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I think it’s definitely the fair thing to do for the players, however the way sports colleges prioritize their funding I see all the other tuition-paying students footing the bill for it. If I had to choose between the two I would choose paying the players, but unfortunately it’s only going to lead to even more exorbitantly high tuition costs for everybody else. The only thing we can hope for is some sort of “cost bubble” which pops and forces colleges to re-evaluate how much it should really cost the average student to attend their school.
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13 POSTED: 28 March 2014 4:59 am POSTQUOTEEDIT
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Lilani:
I think it’s definitely the fair thing to do for the players, however the way sports colleges prioritize their funding I see all the other tuition-paying students footing the bill for it. If I had to choose between the two I would choose paying the players, but unfortunately it’s only going to lead to even more exorbitantly high tuition costs for everybody else. The only thing we can hope for is some sort of “cost bubble” which pops and forces colleges to re-evaluate how much it should really cost the average student to attend their school.
It shouldn’t effect tuition costs in the slightest. Understand, the system generates billions of dollars for the NCAA and the schools. There’s plenty of money to pay decent salaries without having to raise tuition on everyone else. What it will force is a re-evaluation of the huge salaries the big colleges pay their coaching staff, another good thing.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/t/story/college-athletes-unionize-federal-agency-23070004?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Damateur%2520student%2520athlete%2520days%2520ago%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26ved%3D0CCcQFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fabcnews.go.com%252FSports%252FwireStory%252Fcollege-athletes-unionize-federal-agency-23070004%26ei%3DTzQ1U5HGKYnaqQHB5IG4Cg%26usg%3DAFQjCNGfTOoR-8knS38zPP54EsYJp1bMEA%26sig2%3DF3vGL6GkCBpzZHF-h7pEdg%26bvm%3Dbv.63808443%2Cd.aWM
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/528.845890-Big-changes-coming-to-College-Sports-U-S